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  From:  wknight001   6/23/2001 6:49 pm  
To:  ALL   (1 of 8)  
 
  78.1  
 
Well.. this is more.. 'Advanced Christianity'.. in some ways.. but it's also very basic. 
I wonder how many Christians outside the Church, men and women, think of consecrating themselves to God in consecrated virginity, a marriage truly. It strikes me as rare, but I thought I would provoke.. some thought! 

From St. Faustina's Diary: 

O my most sweet Master, good Jesus, I give You my heart. You shape 

and mold it after Your liking. O fathomless Love, I open the calyx of 

my heart to You, like a rosebud to the freshness of dew. To You 

alone, my Betrothed, is known the fragrance of the flower of my 

heart. Let the fragrance of my sacrifice be pleasing to You. O 

Immortal God, my everlasting delight, already here on earth You are 

my heaven. May every beat of my heart be a new hymn of praise to You, 

O Holy Trinity! Had I as many hearts as there are drops of water in 

the ocean or grains of sand in the whole world, I would offer them 

all to You, O my Love, O Treasure of my heart! Whomever I shall meet 

in my life, no matter who they may be, I want to draw them all to 

love You, O my Jesus, my Beauty, my Repose, my sole Master, Judge, 

Savior and Spouse, all in one; I know that one title will modify the 

other - I have entrusted everything to Your mercy. (1064) 

 
  
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  From:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   6/23/2001 8:04 pm  
To:  wknight001   (2 of 8)  
 
  78.2 in reply to 78.1  
 
WKNIGHT001 wrote:
I wonder how many Christians outside the [Catholic?] Church, men and women, think of consecrating themselves to God in consecrated virginity, a marriage truly.
  Not many, I imagine.  The notion of dedicating one's self to God by forsaking his commandments to marry, and to Be fruitful and multiply is a Pagan blasphemy, which most other sects of Christianity have seen for the heresy that it truly is, and have rejected.



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  From:  wknight001   6/23/2001 10:47 pm  
To:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   (3 of 8)  
 
  78.3 in reply to 78.2  
 
LOL. I hope you're joking. For you must've read St. Paul by now, nevermind the rest of the Bible. 
 
  
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  From:  Dr_Shock   6/24/2001 1:11 am  
To:  wknight001   (4 of 8)  
 
  78.4 in reply to 78.1  
 
This is just a little (kinda sickening) historical tidbit that goes along with the topic. It just shows how truly ill some people can be. At least those who choose to do this today are doing so in a much more spiritual and moral manner. 
throughout European history, there have been many branches which have broken off from the Church of Rome and formed churches based around the concept God or Jesus as a life partner rather than a real flesh and blood spouse. Usually, these groups would start out pretty normal but through time became depraved cults. 

In 1722, Count Nicholas Von Zinzendorf started one such organization. He was originally a Mason who, for a short time, left the order and found God. Upon leaving the Masons for a short period of time, he started an organization called The Order of the Grain of Mustard Seed (Orden von Senfkorn) which basically taught that one needed no life partner other than Jesus. Initiation included an odd wedding ceremony between the initiate and Jesus. It was all rather normal and had good moral standing at that point. 

Everything was pretty harmless until Von Zinzendorf got involved with the Masons and Templars again some years later. Almost overnight, the church became a twisted cult based around having sex with Jesus (both men and women) resulting in large orgies, infidelity, etc. The cult remained around for many years later and, rumor has it, that parts of this organization are responsible for the Naughty Hellfire Club of London (which both Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin were active participants in.) 

Some people are just crazy, I suppose.


-The Mad Dr. Shock
 
  
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  From:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   6/24/2001 2:42 pm  
To:  wknight001   (5 of 8)  
 
  78.5 in reply to 78.3  
 
WKNIGHT001 wrote:
LOL. I hope you're joking. For you must've read St. Paul by now, nevermind the rest of the Bible. 
  Nope.  I'm dead serious.  One of the very first commandments that God gave to Adam and Eve was to be fruitful and multiply.  Throughout the entire Bible, this commandment is repeated and reinforced.  It should be clear that God intends that all who are able should marry and bring forth offspring, according to his commandments.  I truly, firmly believe that the notion that it is somehow more holy to forsake this most sacred commandment, is nothing less than an evil, Satanic perversion of the the gospel, a corruption introduced into early Christianity along with other blasphemous Pagan practices and beliefs.

  Please note that I do not use such terminology lightly.  There are many areas in which there is disagrement between my religion, and other sects of Christianity, where I would not use such harsh words.

  As for Paul, he said a few things which, if you started from the presumption that avoiding marriage could be a holy thing, could be interpreted as supporting this position.  I do not think this is what he meant, and I think that, in this instance, he is being misinterpreted.  Let me point out a few things:

  Most scholars acknowledge that Paul was either a member of the Sanhedrin, or else a close associate thereof.  (See Acts 8:3, 9:1-2, 22:5, 26:10)  As such, he would have been expected, and even required, to conform to the prerequisites of membership in this group, one of which is marriage.

  Paul was also raised as a strict Pharasee, and as a member of that group, would also have been expected and obligated to be married.

1 Corinthians 7:7-8 notwithstanding, Paul's writings overal indicate a very positive attitude toward marriage, and arethe source of some of the finest counsel on the subject found in the Bible.  (See 1 Corinthians 11:11, Ephesians 5:21-6:4 and Colossians 3:8-21.)  Would it not be awfully presumptuous of Paul to give such advice if he had not, himself, obeyed this most sacred commandment? 



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  From:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   6/24/2001 2:47 pm  
To:  wknight001   (6 of 8)  
 
  78.6 in reply to 78.1  
 
  Any time that Satan can deceive any portion of Mankind into disobeying God's commandments, while believing that they are, by so doing, somehow serving God or dedicating themselves to God, this is a victory for Satan.

  The Catholic blasphemy of celibacy is one of Satan's greatest victories.



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  From:  wknight001   6/24/2001 3:18 pm  
To:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   (7 of 8)  
 
  78.7 in reply to 78.6  
 
LOL. There is nothing intrisically evil in it, and you can't reinterpret Paul any other way than recommending it. Nice try though. Some are called for virginity, some are called to marriage. There is nothing intrisically evil with the former state, nor it continuing for life. 
Jesus was celibate! 

That is the ultimate answer I have for you! 

1 Cor 7:8 Paul is celibate 
1 Cor 7:32-35 celibary recommended for full time inisters 
2 Tim 2:3-4 no soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits 
1 Tim 5:9-12 pledge of celibarcy taken by older widows 

Truly, anyone can see and feel if he opens his heart that this is the case. Moreover, just as the Church is the Bride of Christ, so those who cosecrate their virginity on Earth to God, are His brides and married in another, deep sense. 

And there is no marriage afterwards save the marriage of Christ to the Bride, for as he affirmed they are neither married nor given in marriage in Heaven. 

It is a shame that something so beautiful as the previous passage provokes such outrage and comparison to evil. This is not of the Holy Spirit. If you open yourself you too will see the beauty. 

Sincerely, 

Jeffrey Thomas 
+AMDG 

 
  
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